Comment from ‘Awakened Husband’: “You mentioned this is a
software company. Do women do the technical I.T. work, and are there women
programmers? This is interesting because historically, the one strike against
feminism has been that women do not seem to show any sincere interest in the
physical sciences and technical disciplines. This makes women put themselves at
a disadvantage when they go up against a male in this area, not to mention they
come across as only wanting the big pay check and not really having any passion
for the engineering side of things. Or is the company attitude along the lines
of "Its not the engineering that makes the money, its the marketing and
intellectual property structures", which of course would be dominated by
women?”
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Dennis responds:
i was amazed by the narrow-minded, ill-informed,
misogynistic nature of your comments. Awakened husband, indeed! i will respond
to each of your erroneous assertions as follows:
“You mentioned this is
a software company. Do women do the technical I.T. work, and are there women
programmers?”
Yes, it is a Woman-owned company, and Women fully
participate in the daily work of this company, including programming,
engineering, and IT work.
If Women haven’t
participated more fully in the pas,t it’s largely due to their being steered
into traditionally Female areas such as care-giving, soft sciences, etc. Men on
the other hand have been driven to do work in engineering and technology. It’s patriarchy at work, preserving the
male-dominated status quo by steering talented Women away from STEM fields. Our
company partners with a local university to recruit Women into engineering and
IT and to fully support them once they go down that academic path. We provide
scholarships, grants, mentoring, and intern opportunities. Afterward we recruit
Women into our ranks and support them when they join. Carol, our CEO,
transformed our company from one run by a good-old-boy network to one where
Women have opportunities in hi-tech. So, do we have Women programmers? Yes, we
do and by many measures they outperform their male counterparts. How do we
know? We have measures; the margin on Woman-run projects is higher; employee
satisfaction on Woman-run projects and in Woman-run departments is higher. Women
are seen as being more inclusive and this is by both men and Women.
“This is interesting
because historically, the one strike against feminism has been that women do
not seem to show any sincere interest in the physical sciences and technical
disciplines.”
Strike against Feminism! You are kidding? Numerous studies
have shown a pervasive attitude in society that has directed Women away from
science and engineering into traditionally Female areas such a care-giving,
homemaking, secretarial and administrative tasks. And i can argue, too, that
men have been steered away from traditionally Female occupations such as
homemaking by the same prejudicial thinking and by the fact that Female-dominated
occupations traditionally pay less… And, guess what? When we sought to enhance
the situation of our clerical and administrative staff when Carol first took
over the company by raising salaries, we had a huge inrush of applications for
these positions – from male applicants! This is good, of course, because it’s
helping take down gender stereotypes. So, don’t tell me that Women aren’t
interested when they have been systematically dissuaded and the same for men
who otherwise might have desired to pursue a traditionally Female career.
“This makes women put
themselves at a disadvantage when they go up against a male in this area, not
to mention they come across as only wanting the big pay check and not really
having any passion for the engineering side of things.”
Pure crap! Our experience – note some of our metrics, above
– are that Women are at no disadvantage whatsoever – in fact, it may be the
opposite. Women are seen as more effective leaders, as being more inclusive,
and being more culturally sensitive. If you want a technical measure, surveys
of our customers show us that usability is higher on Female-led projects. This
is telling us that we need more Women in control of projects at a higher level.
We’re positioning two high-performing Women – yes, they write software, oh my!
– for roles as system architects who will be charged with driving things like
standards, look and feel, usability, etc.
As far as “only wanting the big paycheck and not really
having passion for the engineering side of things,” again, are you kidding? We
work to earn our way in the world so our compensation is a part of any career
choice. Science jobs pay well because of the skills required and limited number
of graduates in these fields. We’re all Feminists here and realize that
economic empowerment emancipates Women. In other words, Women don’t have to
take orders from narrow-minded patriarchs if they have well paying careers. Is
your “passion” going to keep you at your current company if your salary is
suddenly cut in half?
“Or is the company
attitude along the lines of ‘It’s not the engineering that makes the money, it’s
the marketing and intellectual property structures,’ which of course would be
dominated by women?”
It’s the job of a company to make money or contribute to its
doing so across the board – we need to be good in all areas so I’m not quite
sure what you are getting at. We actively recruit Women because they greatly
help our business and because we have a strong Feminist philosophy. We believe
that if Women are going to reach their full potential they are going to have to
be economically independent, and this means they are going to need to fully
participate in science, engineering, and IT. We’ve committed to helping them
get there – to their benefit and ours.
9 comments:
Excellent comments, Dennis. Thinking about this some more, I seem to recall reading in several publications that colleges and universities are not properly preparing students for the transition to the 'working world'. I have personally have observed this as well. A great deal of new staff training is required by employers, or if no training is offered, then there may be higher turnover. My thought is a course, entitled 'Opportunity Management', and should include much of what you have said in your commentary. Let's better prepare our students and get rid of this nonsense which implies that certain types of jobs are geared to specific sexes. This should be settled by qualifications, pure and simple.
It is a historical fact that the ranks of programmers was pretty much 50/50 male/female, and probably higher than that for application programmers. In 1980 computer science grads were about 53% female. It all changed with the advent of home video games. These were marketed exclusively to boys. Boy began reaching their teenage years vastly more comfortable with computers and technology and pushed the girls aside. By the time we got to the internet era, and it's explosive growth, particularly in silicon valley, it had become a male-dominated profession.
It is a historical fact that the ranks of programmers was pretty much 50/50 male/female, and probably higher than that for application programmers. In 1980 computer science grads were about 53% female. It all changed with the advent of home video games. These were marketed exclusively to boys. Boy began reaching their teenage years vastly more comfortable with computers and technology and pushed the girls aside. By the time we got to the internet era, and it's explosive growth, particularly in silicon valley, it had become a male-dominated profession.
Erm http://www.businessinsider.com/25-powerful-women-engineers-2012-8?op=1&IR=T
Woman are great at tech, Ada Lovelace was the Mother of software engineering. There are so many examples of great Female engineers and artists out there throughout history who got no credit for what they did. Things are changing now - girls are more free to embrace their inner geek. I still think boys are persuaded against 'feminine' activities mostly by parents and peers. Anyway, the facts simply do not stack up that 'girls don't like science' - they just been told they should not from an early age. Don't get me wrong i think Women and men should have equal opportunities - i love to be dominated by a strong woman, but that's just me but i do prefer the way they get things done. Don't agree with all of dennis' postings, but this is spot on. i wish i knew where you worked dennis! every day must be a delight! keep on tending those shoes - on a lighter not i love to hear about your love for shoes (and the feet that slip into them). Keep up the good work.
AW
dennis replies to AW:
Thanks for your refreshing post - i enjoyed it. The Woman-owned company where i work is a wonderful place and while we are looking to hire as many Women as possible to establish them in the STEM field we have many qualified men on staff, too. Women not only have great technical and programming skills but our experience is that they are very good at gathering and building teams and in designing software that scores well on usability.
Thanks again for your comments...
d
The old shiboleth of Women not being good at maths etc. The sexism of those marking with this already preconceived thinking and the forcing of Women away from science subjects because they are not "logical" is just patriarchy at its worst.
Femsup
...how many have ever held a patent or an invention? You seem to be ever focused on tiny percentages..
http://www.nber.org/papers/w17888
and
http://www.women-inventors.com/
and that's despite people like you!!!
AW
Let's go back in time for a glance at our elementary school class. Remember when we sat in class making paper footballs, or maybe shooting spit wads across the room? hahahaha Yeah I was one of those kids!
What were the girls doing? being serious about studying
What about later in life when we become teenagers? Lots of partying and troubles with the Law..
What were the girls doing? being serious about studying
You see my point, it doesn't take a scholar to see the female gender is far more focused and trained, not to mention cleaner and less foul mouthed.
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